Harnessing Words That Heal: How Encouragement Transforms Fear and Builds Community

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:00:01]:

Hello, good people. Welcome again to the To Be Encouraged podcast with Bishop Julius C. Trimble. My name is Reverend Dr. Brad Miller. I co host this podcast with Bishop Trimble. And it's all about offering encouraging words to an often discouraged world. That's what we call it, to be encouraged.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:00:22]:

And today we're going to talk about how words, the words we use, words that hurt and words that heal, are a part of whether you are discouraged or encouraged. So, Bishop Trimble, welcome to our conversation here today.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:00:35]:

Thank you, Brad, my friend, and blessings.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:00:38]:

To all who received this podcast. We hope it is actually a blessing to you. And we try to speak words of affirmation, words of encouragement, words of hope and love.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:00:50]:

Not to be trite or to be in love with cliches, but it is really true, Brad, that words can either build up or tear down. And you know, psychologists have found this out and history has proven this, that at a young age, the kind of words that we hear that come into our minds, our brains, our spirit, can, can help form us and sometimes create.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:01:14]:

Obstacles that we later have to overcome.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:01:17]:

Yeah. And I think the words matter and the tone of the, how you say the words and, and the, the things like volume and intensity, that all matters too. But I got a feeling, Bishop, that something triggered this with you here, this point of discussion. So have you experienced or heard words recently that hurt and, or words that heal recently, they kind of triggered this thing, this topic to come to your mind here today?

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:01:45]:

Yeah, absolutely. Was just last weekend in Chicago for a book signing by a 91 year.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:01:51]:

Old author who's a dear friend of ours, Mrs. June Porter. She wrote a book of children's prayers.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:01:57]:

And she was asked a number of questions. But one of the things she says.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:02:01]:

Is that we ought to be careful about the words we speak around children.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:02:05]:

Because they're like seeds being planted in fertile soil. And that resonated with me because I really do believe that I know that, that, that that's why, you know, when you're growing up, if you, if, if you, like many children, if not most.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:02:22]:

Children, you experience some form of bullying.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:02:25]:

Or maybe you were one of those.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:02:26]:

Persons who was actually bullied.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:02:27]:

Yeah, right.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:02:29]:

But words were part of that. And now with, you know, social media platforms, words become so critical. So I think the words that we.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:02:39]:

Sometimes take for granted or the words.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:02:42]:

That we don't use enough.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:02:44]:

All right.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:02:44]:

Have been supplanted by words that generate.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:02:46]:

More fear and more disgust and more distrust.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:02:50]:

I was even thinking that, think about recently, President Trump was speaking to all of these generals. And he made reference to nuclear submarines. He said, nuclear. You know, that's the N word. There are two N words.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:03:05]:

Oh, my gosh.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:03:06]:

But I think about. I think about what a poor use of time.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:03:10]:

Yes.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:03:11]:

And. And I do know that there are lots of words and lots of things that we say that, that sometimes can build up or tear down. And there's a quote from Marie Curie says, nothing in life is to be feared. It is only to be understood. And I believe words are to be understood. Now is the time, Brad. This is what I believe why this podcast is. So Marie Curie says now is the time to understand more so that we may fear less.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:03:38]:

Let me say that again. Now is the time to understand more so that we may fear less. So we need to invest more in understanding, and I believe we need to invest in more words that affirm and encourage because we have so many words that are being offered. I say on the menu of life.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:03:55]:

They really just invite us to be.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:03:57]:

Fearful or, or to victimize or vilify.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:04:02]:

People who are truly our neighbors.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:04:04]:

A key word you said there that kind of pivots this whole thing about words that heal and words that hurt is that word fear, that whether fear is enhanced or played upon or where fear is addressed to be diminished with knowledge and so on. So say a word. I know you mentioned that there. About what from the quote there. But say a word about this kind of a culture of fear that is either fed with, you know, words that, that inflame or can be, you know, fear that can be substitute. Subdued with words that heal.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:04:42]:

Well, we see that in the, in the geopolitical landscape of this, this notion that, you know, words like invasion, we are being invaded, or, or even words like the Secretary of Defense, he, you know, he says, you know, I'm now the Secretary of War.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:05:01]:

Yeah, that's great, isn't it?

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:05:02]:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. So. So, you know, is the, the. I think the intent is for the word to. To really to. To generate an image, if you will. So, so words, you know, when we say to people, you know, I don't want to be bothered with you, or we say to people, I'm not listening to you.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:05:20]:

We say to people, you know, can we agree to disagree? And the disagreement part is much stronger than the commitment to agree. So we would say to agree to disagree rather than maybe we could say, you know, can we have a conversation and not. Not have as end goal to solve a problem or to convince. Convince you to believe what I believe for you to believe what I believe.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:05:46]:

Well, you know, I think it's very true that people really do not listen to you until they know that you are listening to them. And otherwise, you know, in order to be heard, you know, to hear. In order to be heard. Because. So it seems like so much of the dialogue that is taking place, it's not dialogue at all. It is just people talking past one another. You know, they are just nowhere. You know, they're not on the same page.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:06:13]:

Even. They're just. And, and even it seems like not only, not only, you know, there's conversations going. Place where people are yelling, even in opposite directions, you know, even physically, you know, like yelling. So I just, I don't see how this is very constructive when you do that type of thing. So how, what, what are we going to do about this, my friend? What do, how can we respond?

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:06:37]:

Well, you know, we, I, I say we need to go back. I, I guess I am very much a, some would call a biblical conservative, would you say? I think we should go back to the scripture. Yeah. Psalmist says God heals the brokenhearted, binds up their wounds. And so God, when we read the, with the, the Old Testament and New Testament, we keep seeing these words of God calling us back to community, calling us back to covenant, calling us back.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:07:04]:

To a sense of, of blessing.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:07:06]:

In fact, the Bible, I would say Jesus, you know, when he comes back and appears after the resurrection, you know, he doesn't say you, all you disciples, you've been flunking all this time, right? He says, no, peace be unto you.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:07:22]:

Peace. Peace, yes.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:07:24]:

Yeah.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:07:24]:

That's a word of blessing, Brad. You know, I'll, I'll give a testimony. Glory sighting in the time I started working with you, Brad, you didn't say. Listen, Julius Bishop Julius, you know, I know things. And you don't seem to be really up on top of this, this social media stuff or this. You said, let's work together. That's a word. That's a word of the invitation, Brad, of healing.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:07:49]:

We should say that more often. You've said that to me numerous times. I want to work. I want to work with you. I appreciate you, appreciate what you. You've done. I'm here for you. I'm right.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:08:00]:

These words I wrote down, Brad, that I heard you say, and I've heard my family say this as well. And, and I've tried to say it to others. You know, let's work together. I'm here for you. I appreciate you as opposed to, and I know people who are very successful now said that they grew up hearing, hearing be said to them, some of them by parents, you're worthless. You never turn out to be anything. You never get anything right. You know, blaming and shaming in our verbiage.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:08:31]:

And I see a lot of this, there's, you know, a lot of this from our current president and even some of these persons who are now so called Christian conservatives, if you will, but there's so much blaming and shaming. What. That's not a healthy theology, nor is that really an honest understanding of the Bible. You know, Jesus, you know, how can you say you love God, whom you have not seen, but fail to acknowledge, use words of blessing and healing to people that you see or could see or who are part of your community?

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:09:09]:

Words matter, don't they? Words really do matter. And they set the, they can set the trajectory of a lot, a lot of things. And so, and I think the application of words in an intentional matter is important here. So when we hear a lot of negative talk out there, it is so important to hear literally the name of your podcast is an encouraging, you know, to be encouraged. Those are encouraging words. So we gotta keep speaking encouraging words into a discouraged world because that is, that is spiritual warfare in a way, isn't it? Would you.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:09:42]:

Absolutely, absolutely.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:09:44]:

It is spiritual warfare. And you know, the words that are healing and helpful are not always words that are, are come from our first, our native language or our common culture, if you will. I remember as an early on in seminary, Brad and I, you know, run into, in fact, in the community I.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:10:03]:

Grew up in, there were people who.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:10:04]:

Were Muslim, some of them were black Muslims and so they embraced Islam. And I used to hear assalam alaikum. And I thought it was a negative.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:10:16]:

That's the people that I knew that were Muslim. And when I used to hear assalama alaikum, you know, I was, I, it.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:10:25]:

Drew up in me, I said, I mean, is this kind of negative thing?

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:10:28]:

They might have found out what it meant. Bread, peace be unto you. Yeah, it's the literal translation.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:10:34]:

I said, this is this, these are.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:10:35]:

Words that heal, not words that are a call to warfare or, you know.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:10:41]:

Yeah.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:10:43]:

Or not for words like Indian death.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:10:46]:

The.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:10:46]:

My Indian colleagues who say namaste.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:10:49]:

Yeah, and namaste, you know, Hindus and Buddhists, but even non religious people from India and, and Far east would use namaste, which literally means I. At least one translations. I see the divine in you. If you, you receive the divine in me or I see the God in you, you see the God in me.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:11:08]:

Yeah. These are words.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:11:09]:

Well, that's powerful words that we can learn from different languages. And I. And I can't remember it now, but when I did some mission work in Native American culture, there are certain terms that were used there that were similar, that were, you know, meant just kind of an overall sense of. Of peace and presence. And that. That is a good thing. Shalom is another word that we can put in here. So what are, what are some other biblical principles you think we can apply here to what we're talking about here? You mentioned when Jesus said, peace be with you.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:11:41]:

Are there other biblical principles, teachings that we can apply to this whole sense of the overcoming fear with, with words of healing?

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:11:53]:

Well, you know, the, the New Testament.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:11:57]:

Which really often refers back to the Old Testament, the Shema, you know, love the Lord your God with your heart, soul, mind, and strength. And Jesus says those two commandments to love God and love your neighbor as you love, love yourself. So I think the love ethic out of Jesus's living, his ministry and his voice should be what guides and directs us. There's a. What we consider a benediction, but I consider it a blessing that encompasses much of what we should be seeking to do today. Comes from Numbers, the sixth chapter. It'll be familiar because you've used it and I've used it as a benediction. The Lord bless you and keep you.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:12:44]:

Yes.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:12:45]:

The Lord make his face to shine upon you and be gracious to you. The Lord lift up his countenance upon you and give you peace. They're literally five, six blessings. In that benedictory passage of scripture, those three verses of Scripture, there's about six blessings. The Lord bless you. The Lord keep you. The Lord never turns away from you, because Lord makes God's face to shine upon you, meaning you're never left away from the sight of God. And the Lord be gracious to you, our understanding of grace.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:13:23]:

And the Lord lift up his countenance upon you and give you peace. Again, that word peace often follows the mandate to love.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:13:33]:

Yes.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:13:34]:

And so I would really say that.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:13:35]:

You know, things, things that we learned.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:13:37]:

As children about, you know, the importance of saying thank you. The importance of saying, I'm sorry. The importance of saying, brad, I hear you.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:13:47]:

Yes.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:13:47]:

How critical is that? By just saying to people that, I.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:13:52]:

Hear you, and we're using words that are loving and caring and kind. I just, I. I'm thinking of the scripture. I think it's first John 4. By perfect love, cast out fear. You know, that, that, that this is what in all the description that fear is, you know, all kinds of things which is judgmental and, and things of this nature. And perfect love cast out banishes fear. And perfect love is made up among other things of kinder, gentler language.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:14:23]:

I don't think this means that we're stepped on either, but it just means that we are using language that is builds people up rather than destroys people because so much of what we got going on road right now is meant to destroy somebody else so you can one up them. And I just don't think that's how Jesus worked, do you?

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:14:43]:

Perfect love comes out cast out fear. This phrase refers to how deep and mature understanding of God's love can really overcome even this, the, you know, the hell and fire, fire and brimstone of divine punishment. Oh yeah, you know, yeah, we want to scare people out of hell, right from hell and, and kind of, you know, preach them into heaven. And I think we really should spend more time blessing people while they're right here on earth as opposed to just, you know, preparing people. You know, here's the promise for you when you die. I believe that, you know, Jesus said, I will prepare a place for you, but I also believe Jesus says I've come, that you have life and have it without being bullied, without being oppressed and depressed. Have it. What does the scripture say? Have it abundantly or have life in its own.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:15:37]:

John 10:10.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:15:38]:

John 10:10. Have life cast, you know, half life.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:15:43]:

You heard me tell this.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:15:44]:

Yeah.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:15:44]:

Brad, you've heard me tell the story about my granddaughter. I think she was three years old when we were going through Dunkin Donuts. And I picked up the donuts and we, I drive. It was drive through, I drive, I'm headed off and she leans forward. She's in her, in her car seat and she said, papa, aren't you going to say thank you? Aren't you going to say thank you? And so I've used that several times as a reminder. Those are words that really do matter. My parents taught us to say that. But you know, it's like a lot of things.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:16:16]:

You get lazy and you take things for granted. You take people for granted and you find more reason to complain than you do to actually convey appreciation and affirmation. So it's basically, it's basically, Brad, I think, a choice, you know, we can.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:16:34]:

How much.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:16:35]:

We only have so many words that are going to come out of our mouth while we're, while we're living. And so do. How many of them do we really Want to be words that build up as opposed to tear down or detract, you know. Yeah, well, it troubles me to hear, it troubles me to hear anybody's elected official or otherwise say, well, so, and so is a person of low iq and so. No, not like, like we really know what people, their aptitude is.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:17:04]:

Yeah.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:17:05]:

But, well, we could use that same.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:17:07]:

Amount of oxygen and the same amount of muscle, muscle usage to say, I really hope this person will, you know, come to the table, that we might have a conversation on how we can make the world a better place and make our country a better place.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:17:22]:

Yeah. Kind. The kindness matters. And I think there's, you know, whole. I just think it's just a better, more pleasant world when we build things on kindness rather than on destructiveness. And let's, let's apply it there, though, for a minute. Bishop, about people who then live in an environment or work in an environment or have a church environment where there is some harsh language, where there is people mistreating one another. I'm thinking of pastors or church leaders or people who are in public service, you know, like public officials or police officers or social workers who deal with difficult people with difficult, you know, harsh language and situations.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:18:05]:

What do you think are some strategies that maybe a pastor or someone could use if they've got people among them who just, you know, leaning into the nastiness of how can we be helpful to them?

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:18:18]:

I think, I think, I think it's easier said than done, but I think we need to give people space to sit with themselves. I'm married to a counselor who's a therapist, so she often says that, you know, sometimes people need time to sit with themselves and you, we can't fix that. And sometimes being engaged with someone who is hell bent, as they say, on arguing or, you know, or they're angry about something. It's not just to be back and forth isn't helpful and to say, listen, why don't we give this a break, you know, and you go sit with that and maybe put in writing what it is you're feeling and maybe at another point we can come together or, you know, as the Bible says, you know, you come to go before your brother or sister. If you can't, if you can't bring peace, then bring a third party in.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:19:16]:

Yeah.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:19:16]:

To help.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:19:17]:

Oh, yeah, Matthew, I think, was it Matthew 15, Matthew 18. Yeah. And then I think there's something to be said about such practices as take a breath, count to 10 before you say if you're mad, you know, do not react. Take a moment to think and then respond, you know, to. To things. I think there's a lot of reaction and overreaction happening. Kind of, you know, just say reactionary. You know, something happens is we.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:19:48]:

People blurt out things and things like that that are just hurtful and hateful. And I think there's some strategies that we can use here that can be helpful here. Maybe we all need to be in timeout sometimes. What do you think?

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:20:04]:

Yeah. Yeah, maybe timeouts aren't just for children that. That. That have disobeyed or failed to do their chores. Yeah, there's a lot. I think there's a lot of adults to need timeout.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:20:15]:

Yeah.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:20:16]:

Maybe we can be more confessional and say there have been some times and maybe I needed. Needed to take a time out. And I would say to. Also to pastors, you know, a timeout is not necessarily a bad thing because sometimes we may need to give ourselves a timeout just to. Just to be still and not try to. Not try to be the world's fixers, you know, recognize it. You know, there's very little we can actually fix. We do want to be.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:20:43]:

Yeah, we do want to be a contributor to, you know, the bomb in Gilead, the healing. The healing Shabbat, if you will.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:20:51]:

Well, you and I are followers of Jesus Christ, and certainly Jesus had his moments of encounter with people, and sometimes they were difficult and even. Sometimes harsh words were exchanged. But he also had many times when he'd withdraw to a place of prayer or quiet before he was engaged with others, be it a good thing or an antagonistic encounter. And it seemed like he always was at peace in his own skin. And so I just think we can take a clue from that, that he withdraw and then he encountered. Withdrew and then he encountered people. So what kind of final words would you give to people who are living in a world right now, Bishop, where there is all this consternation taking place? And, you know, we began this conversation about words that hurt and words that heal and all about. And dealing with fear.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:21:47]:

I think one of the things we've mentioned here today that I think is one strategy we could use. I'd like to hear what you think about it is to be very intentional about words of affirmation to ourself and to others. I think it's good to have a time of not only prayer or other times when you just say, you know, I need to give myself a break or I need to be good to myself, and then also then verbalize that to Others, you know, whether it's a member of your family or someone you encounter out in the world, to practice good words. What do you think about that? Affirming words, good words.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:22:23]:

I think it.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:22:24]:

I think that's good. That's good exercise and, and I would call it good self hygiene. You know, you get up in the morning, you brush your teeth, you wash your face. My son, my youngest son, some years ago talked about, you know, when you.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:22:38]:

Get up in the morning, you should.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:22:39]:

Go look in the mirror and say to yourself, I love you. I love you 10 times.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:22:44]:

Right.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:22:44]:

Because God loves you. God loves you. One exercise, it may seem elementary to some, but is to actually write down as many words of affirmation that you could say about other people and then say those same words about yourself, you know?

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:22:59]:

Right.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:23:00]:

I appreciate you. I'm here for you. Let's work together. Great job, you know, God bless. God has blessed you. God. God loves you. You're just who.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:23:14]:

Just who God wanted you to be. So write down as many words of affirmation, say them to ourselves and be prepared.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:23:22]:

You kind of. We kind of build up our vocabulary.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:23:24]:

Bread. And be prepared to say that to others. My wife has an exercise where she does it. She goes to Starbucks.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:23:33]:

And, you know, you know, they.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:23:34]:

They'll ask you, what name do you want?

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:23:36]:

Oh, yeah, and rather than.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:23:38]:

Rather than have them spell out race.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:23:40]:

Elder or Mrs. Trimble or anything like first lady, she'll say, joy, what name do you want on your one. On your coffee? So when they call her coffee out, they'll say, joy, Call for Joy.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:23:53]:

Call for Joy. Well, that is.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:23:54]:

Yeah.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:23:55]:

So here's one exercise people might do.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:23:57]:

Is actually, you know, think about a word of affirmation. When you go get your coffee, if they ask for what name, you put it, put it in. You know, beloved, peace, you know, shalom. So someone will call out for coffee. Shalom.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:24:11]:

Well, when it comes, we need to find ways to do that.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:24:13]:

And I think what I appreciate you have always appreciated about you, the long time that I've known you, is that you really do lean into this thing about encouraging words. You know, you really do make that a part of who you are and what you're all about. The name of this podcast is to be encouraged. That's always been your. Your theme. And so I think it might be a good opportunity here, Bishop, for us to reaffirm and maybe close our conversation here today with basically your theme of how you. Your personal mission, which is an encouraging word. That may be an encouraging word to others and I think you know what I'm talking about here.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:24:46]:

But we haven't mentioned it verbally in the last.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:24:51]:

It's a great way to close because.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:24:53]:

I mean it for those listeners. And, and this, this podcast has, has a lifespan that'll last beyond just a day. So my personal mission and it, and it doesn't have to be my private mission, it's to encourage all people with the love of Jesus Christ to rise to their highest potential. And often for short, I'll say be encouraged or will say be encouraged. But that is to encourage all people and I didn't say some people, all people with the love of Jesus Christ to rise to their highest potential. I'm a follower of Jesus. I'm a follower of Jesus and I know that God. One writer says it this way.

Bishop Julius C. Trimble [00:25:33]:

Well, Alice Walker, the writer and activist, said the name of God is love. Awesome.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:25:40]:

Well, what a great way for us to close our conversation here today. And I love the part about, you know, to be encouraged and to rise to your highest potential. I've always loved when you, when you share that and that is the whole purpose of why we do this podcast has helped to give people and encouraging word. So you've been listening indeed to the To Be Encouraged podcast with Bishop Julius c. Trimble. I'm Rev. Dr. Brad Miller.

Rev. Dr. Brad Miller [00:26:05]:

It's been a pleasure to be with you. We ask you join us again next time on the podcast that looks to offer an encouraging word to an often discouraged world.